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Title: Girnhill Lane Archived News 5
Post by: yetion1 on April 19, 2009, 03:36:34 pm
Looks like whats left of this house is now becoming the fly tiping hotspot

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Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Kim685 on April 20, 2009, 08:14:15 pm
And yet another house up in flames as I write this.  >:(


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: fev angel on April 20, 2009, 09:24:24 pm
and one yesterday but i can say 2 has been locked up tonight  :)


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Whistleblower on April 20, 2009, 09:38:41 pm
and one yesterday but i can say 2 has been locked up tonight  :)
Two arsonist have been locked up ?


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on April 20, 2009, 10:01:09 pm
 
Further to your e-mail and our conversation this morning, I can report the following:
 
Re Securing issues - I have spoken to securing staff and the technical specification is not in question.  The current method is the best one that is available on the market, but I would re-state that the screens cannot endure the level of attack they are receiving.  Dave Jones at our Fitzwilliam office has reported that he has visited the estate at least once every day over the last 3 weeks, and some properties have had to have their screens replaced 3 times in one day.  There is evidence of bolt cutters being used to remove the window bolts.  He has also reported that at 2 of the fires last week that the screens were all in situ, and access is being made through holes made in the roof tiles or through smashing through the brickwork itself.  Under such intense activity it is impossible to put in place a system that will ensure that properties remain closed.
 
Daily lists are being sent to the securing contractor who attends each day to re-secure as quickly as possible.
 
In an attempt to keep some level of control I have today done the following:
 
1.    I have contacted the One-Call centre and have given them a full list of the Council owned properties on the Estate and explained that residents will be contacting them out of hours regarding empty properties.  They are now fully aware of the need to send out emergency teams to secure properties out of hours if necessary.
2.    I have spoken to the Arson Task Force who have confirmed the highest priority to the Estate and have noted the most recent local information.  They have also reported the most recent arson concerns to the Police with a request for increased activity especially around the times when fires have been set.
3.    I have spoken to the Anti social behaviour team who are going to increase the Nieghbourhood Patrollers' presence.
4.    I have spoken to the Building Security staff who will walk round the estate when they visit, paying particular attention to empty properties where the adjoining house has someone living there, to ensure that they remain secure and free wherever possible from unwanted attention.  Again, they have noted the times when fires are most prevalent and the properties where you have reported that preparations for fires have been seen, and will be especially vigilant.  They are going to provide me with daily reports on estate activity to try and increase the level of knowledge of those responsible.
5.    The securing team who are attending this afternoon to complete the list of insecure properties raised this morning will also check on the other properties to ensure that they are still secure.  They have also been asked to use at least twice the number of securing bolts per opening to try and further discourage those trying to gain access.  Regular visits to the estate will continue.
 
We continue to demolish empty properties as quickly as possible, but planning requirements mean that the process does take a certain amount of time, and demolition within 24 hours of a property becoming vacant is not realistic to remove all services, test for asbestos and make the other required planning checks.
 
I shall continue to monitor the issues on the Estate.  I hope this information is useful.
 
Regards
 
Janet Howley
Regeneration Manager
Development and Strategic Housing
Room D34
Newton Bar
Leeds Road
Wakefield  WF1 2TX


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on April 21, 2009, 07:09:27 pm
How a picture changes in a week!
The arsonist is working quicker than I can post. The idea of the first picture taken on Saturday was to add changes to the area as they happen. Little did I know things were going to move so fast?

Saturday;
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Sunday;
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Monday;
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Tuesday;
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Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on April 21, 2009, 07:14:57 pm
Mrs J Howley
Housing and public protection
Newton bar
Wakefield
West York’s
Wf1 2tx

20/04/2009

Dear Janet

RE THE GIRNHILL ESTATE

 

I would like to thank you for your email reply and the time that I do know for sure you have used today to resolve the many issues. The irony is that the police, fire service and press have actually woken up to the fact that 84 homes in 2 years have been burnt excluding up to 2/5 repeat fires and garden/ rubbish fires. The events of today have been unusual in the least. I will go through your reply and then report from last speaking to you at 4.30pm today.

 

Re Securing issues – the technical specification is just the problem. The current method is one of the cheapest metal fabrications. We are talking about a thin metal cover fixed with inadequate numbers of short bolts that have a 10mm spanner head. Armed with a simple cordless screwdriver it would take 1 minute to remove a panel not to mention just prizing. I have already previously mentioned better solutions and offered advice and yet I am mocked by the local labour party as “hutch builder”. Surely free advice from a quality “hutch builder” is better than a group of “Frank Spencer advisors”? Fully re-usable fixed steel doors would stop the problem. They cost more I agree but not after the continuous boarding up total.  After consulting an expert you agree that the area is receiving continuous abuse. An immediate consultation should take place to upgrade the present system of securing properties. I have concerns over the roof entry theory. Over the last 2 years it has become more often that roof tiles were smashed pre fire. In light of today it could suggest that the arsonist was simply creating an opening to fuel the fire?

 

I must thank you for this action. As simple as it may appear it will go a long way to helping the situation.
4/5. After 2 years of records it is clear the shutters and refits are inadequate. You agree. Save money. Help the situation. Again change them?

 

Your final comment I can only reply by saying that given all the evidence and in my opinion WMDC is still failing in its duty of care to the residents of Featherstone. Much, much more could have been done and can be done.

 

 

I received a call at 4.15pm to inform me that the front shutter was off 10/8. As I approached the house I saw coming out of the garden a male pulling a sack cart that was loaded with concrete fence parts. I stood and watched the male walk down the middle of the road and down Ashcroft Avenue with his wide unusual load. Parked at the bottom of the street was a WMDC security guard. The male pushing the cart then made his way down Girnhill lane. The security guard never moved, in fact they did nothing except drive off. What is the bloody point of being there if they do not get off their arse. As a tax payer I don’t believe I am getting value for money. I then checked the rear of 8/10 and found the shutters in tacked apart from 1 window that was slightly pealed back at the top. The rear garden of 8/10 backs on to Harold Westwoods old house. A passage has been cut through the fence creating a passage way. I could hear someone in the garden. I looked through the gap and saw Ziggy Saunders with tools dismantling a concrete fence exactly the same as the one I had just seen being carted off.

I then contacted you and also WMDC contact centre to whom I gave a piece of my mind regards the security persons zero actions.

At 5.25pm I returned to the Girnhill estate and spotted the male who had the cart earlier at the rear of 7 Ashcroft Avenue. The male looked to be examining the rear window shutter. The male spotted me and walked away. He then walked all over the estate and looked down as if he was looking for something. In my opinion he was up to no good and looked highly suspicious. I drove around the estate a came across the security officer from earlier parked up outside the last house on Ashcroft road. As I approached the security man got out of his vehicle and went to the rear of the house. I followed and found that he had just chased off a number of youths who had been up a ladder trying to gain entry to a rear window.

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The ladder was taken away. The security officer was informed about the male walking around the estate. We then both drove around and then parked up outside the phone box. The male then approached us on a bicycle. The security officer stopped the male and explained to him that he wished the police to question him regards the theft from WMDC property of a fence. The police arrived and after questioning the male arrested him. I was asked to make a statement and followed to Pontefract police station.


I returned to Featherstone at 8.30pm to see to my horror that something was on fire on the estate. In the short time I was away the shutter had been removed from the front of no 10 Ashcroft Avenue and had been set on fire. 2 fire appliances were in attendance as so were the police. After talking to the police I was made aware that a further arrest had been made of someone who was stood in the crowd.

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There is quite a bit more to add but for now my request is that you make sure that WMDC prosecutes the thief.


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on April 21, 2009, 07:16:28 pm
I note the points made in respect of the securing methods and will be discussing your suggestions with the securing contractor.  If adjustments can be made to improve the level of security on properties, then I see no reason to not implement them.  I will come back to you for a further discussion on this.
 
With reference to your report on events after our last telephone conversation yesterday, I would report that I have already e-mailed the PC involved in the arrest yesterday and have confirmed that the Council is the complainant and wishes to press charges.  The Officer is not on duty until late Thursday so I will advise you of the progress on this matter once I have more information.
 
I am also aware of the arrest following the fire but have not formally received any further information on this matter.  Again, I shall respond in more detail once I have further information.  I have again had a lengthy discussion with the building security and neighbourhood patrol teams, who are to have a further detailed briefing today.  In addition, I have had a further conversation with the Arson Task Force and we are in close dialogue to co-ordinate action on the Estate.
 
I would confirm that all agencies are committed to tackling the issues that are causing Girnhill residents such anxiety and that measures discussed yesterday will remain in force.
 
Regards
 
Janet Howley
Regeneration Manager
Development and Strategic Housing
Room D34
Newton Bar
Leeds Road
Wakefield  WF1 2TX


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: fev angel on April 21, 2009, 07:34:22 pm
do you know how many people are still up there


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Brian Potter on April 22, 2009, 12:08:41 pm
While all these actions are welcome by WMDC they do seem too little too late.

As for demolition procedures, does it really take all these months to obtain permission to demolish a house ? WHatever happens to that estate in the future, the bitter taste of what has happened up there over the last few years will NEVER be forgotten.


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Whistleblower on April 22, 2009, 06:19:19 pm
True, Janet howley and crew have had years to sort this out. I don’t know what salary she’s on but if I were paying her wage Id be asking why yetion1 is having to do the job for her. To be fair to wmdc they are now offering realistic money for the residents to move on, if only they’d done it years ago they would have saved the residents a lot of heart ache and maybe people would still have a good word for them  :-\ ???


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Forkhandles on April 22, 2009, 08:18:18 pm
If they're offering realistic money, then that should be the end of it then. ;D ;D


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Whistleblower on April 22, 2009, 08:40:29 pm
If they're offering realistic money, then that should be the end of it then. ;D ;D
Its still there home though and i can see why they want to stay but you have to be realistic, the estates finnished now thanks to the arsonist, the vandals and wmdc


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on April 22, 2009, 09:48:12 pm
The money offered is still not realistic.

A meeting evolved and took place today involving police, fire service, arson task force and WMDC. Some interesting points were raised.
The police rely on the fire service for accurate reports regards the Girnhill estate as WMDC have not been reporting them. They should have. The police have provided a report form that will now become a full record.
The area is considered as unfit for human habitation. WMDC should act as a care of duty. This should involve CPO (compulsory purchase orders) or a solution. Either way immediate action is required to bring the situation to a head.
Security shutters are to be re-evaluated and implemented as urgent subject to approval.


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: fev angel on April 23, 2009, 07:13:19 am
If they're offering realistic money, then that should be the end of it then. ;D ;D
Its still there home though and i can see why they want to stay but you have to be realistic, the estates finnished now thanks to the arsonist, the vandals and wmdc

I lived there when we were told that they were coming down that’s when the estate was finished. :( :(


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Whistleblower on April 23, 2009, 04:32:41 pm
The money offered is still not realistic.


I know what at least 8 people have got for their homes and all of them including myself thought the offer was fair, that’s why there has been an increase of people moving over the last year. We all know the decline of the estate has forced them to go but at least they had enough money to move on which is all they asked for , “a house for a house”


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Whistleblower on April 23, 2009, 04:35:56 pm
The money offered is still not realistic.

A meeting evolved and took place today involving police, fire service, arson task force and WMDC. Some interesting points were raised.
The police rely on the fire service for accurate reports regards the Girnhill estate as WMDC have not been reporting them. They should have. The police have provided a report form that will now become a full record.
The area is considered as unfit for human habitation. WMDC should act as a care of duty. This should involve CPO (compulsory purchase orders) or a solution. Either way immediate action is required to bring the situation to a head.
Security shutters are to be re-evaluated and implemented as urgent subject to approval.

That will please wmdc


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Whistleblower on April 23, 2009, 04:36:54 pm
If they're offering realistic money, then that should be the end of it then. ;D ;D
Its still there home though and i can see why they want to stay but you have to be realistic, the estates finnished now thanks to the arsonist, the vandals and wmdc

I lived there when we were told that they were coming down that’s when the estate was finished. :( :(
Didn't you have two houses up there Karen ?


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: fev angel on April 23, 2009, 05:12:12 pm
yes i had a council then needed a bigger one and moved over the road to a private


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Forkhandles on April 23, 2009, 07:24:18 pm
The money offered is still not realistic.


I know what at least 8 people have got for their homes and all of them including myself thought the offer was fair, that’s why there has been an increase of people moving over the last year. We all know the decline of the estate has forced them to go but at least they had enough money to move on which is all they asked for , “a house for a house”

If they've been offered a house for a house, then thats realistic, and fair. ;D


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Whistleblower on April 23, 2009, 07:32:53 pm
The money offered is still not realistic.


I know what at least 8 people have got for their homes and all of them including myself thought the offer was fair, that’s why there has been an increase of people moving over the last year. We all know the decline of the estate has forced them to go but at least they had enough money to move on which is all they asked for , “a house for a house”

If they've been offered a house for a house, then thats realistic, and fair. ;D
offered enough money to buy a new house  :P ::)


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Forkhandles on April 23, 2009, 08:11:38 pm
Yeh, thats what i meant ;D


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Whistleblower on April 23, 2009, 08:59:28 pm
sorry its been a long day  ;) ;D


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on April 25, 2009, 07:49:20 pm
Someone told me last night that they saw roof tiles flying off no 8/10s house last Friday! Someone was obviously inside, priming it ready for Monday! Then as you know, the following morning, someone was seen coming out at 2AM!
 Looking back on one of Mr Ts videos from last year you can clearly see smoke constantly bellowing out of one of these holes (just below the chimney stack) that helps fuel the fire! If you pause it at 1.49 and 2.30, you can see it! You can see the hole does the trick at 3:56 as this is where the fire first breaks through on that house!....
Looking back at other pictures and also remembering roof damage it does look the case that roofs were being primed. If you see the slates off again then get ready for a fire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcgEH6TsZNo


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Featherstonian on April 28, 2009, 06:53:12 pm
looks like another one has gone up tonight.


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on April 28, 2009, 10:24:56 pm
Cheers Fev. Could you check the fire as reports are coming in as un-confirmed. For the record of course ;D.
The last week without arson has been a blessing. Hopefully the word is getting around that at last there is a serious arson investigation underway has helped ::).


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on April 29, 2009, 10:20:12 pm
Mrs J Howley
Housing and public protection
Newton bar
Wakefield
West York’s
Wf1 2tx

28/04/2008

Dear Janet

RE THE GIRNHILL ESTATE SHUTTERS

As discussed I have researched fabrication details of suitable shutters for empty property’s on the Girnhill estate. The best result has been obtained from a local manufacturer. I have attached their initial details and quotes.
I would appreciate any feedback.

Re-usable metal door shutter
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Re-usable window shutter
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Suggested fixing

16mm steel threaded bar with internal 70mmx70mm plate and cocking nut


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on April 29, 2009, 10:21:11 pm
thanks for this information.  The shutters look similar to those that used to be fitted.  These were rented from Orbis but were criticised by residents as being easy to get into.  I am going to send it on for evaluation and testing.  As stated, if this proves to be a better method we will certainly use it.
 
Regards
 
Janet Howley


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Mr T on April 30, 2009, 04:10:08 pm
thanks for this information.  The shutters look similar to those that used to be fitted.  These were rented from Orbis but were criticised by residents as being easy to get into.  I am going to send it on for evaluation and testing.  As stated, if this proves to be a better method we will certainly use it.
 
Regards
 
Janet Howley

Talk about shutting the gate when the horse has bolted Janet!! Anyway, it will just be another case of "ALL TALK AND NO ACTION"


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on April 30, 2009, 06:53:31 pm
Welcome back MrT. The madness of it all (infuriation) only helps to drive those that can see the con to be inspired . :(


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on May 17, 2009, 10:20:14 pm
Janet Howley

Regeneration Manager

Development and Strategic Housing

Room D34

Newton Bar

Leeds Road

Wakefield  WF1 2TX

01924 305917

e-mail jhowley@wakefield.gov.uk

17.05.09

 Dear Janet,

In reply to the information you requested and to clarify your points:

 
·  Cost of unit (not including fitting)

door cover £200.00
window cover £85.00
 
·  Cost to take off and reuse

door or window cover removal £80.00
 
·  Would we be charged for storage of them if they can be taken off and need to stored until a new property becomes insecure

Based only on Featherstone locations, an agreed number of units and time scale, storage would more than likely be free.
 
·  How quickly can he respond to call outs i.e. to manufacture and fit for the first time and also to resecure any that get damaged or taken off.

Call outs could be arranged within an hour and would have backing of pre-manufactured units. Damaged units can be repaired. 24 hour call out would be £140.00 plus parts.
 
I have obtained this information from the company whose details I supplied to you. They are one of many local businesses that could provide the service. I strongly suggest that you contact them yourself.

  To gain a fair range of quotes could you confirm that you have contacted other suppliers?

Have you received any reply from the evaluation and testing you were carrying out on the designs?

As far as I am concerned this long on going unreasonable situation came to head on the 22nd April at the meeting at my shop you attended with police, fire service and arson investigation team. It was put to you by all parties that the estate due to WMDC process had been reduced in to an area “unfit for human habitation” and the that the “CPO process should be started immediately”.

Could you confirm what has been done to start the CPO process?

I am sure you are aware that I have not contacted you to report any damaged shutters since the 22nd April. My reason for this was to sit back and watch the promised procedures of repair. In the first 2 weeks shutters were removed and mended within 3 days. Days does not equal daily.

After 2 weeks things got back to normal with many shutters being left open over a week. As it stands this weekend the arsonist/s can pick what they like to walk in to. I will say again that it would appear from the facts that WMDC is still failing in its duty of care. Solutions that could halt the misery have not been implemented.

One interesting point is that since the 3 arrest’s the fires immediately stopped and the list of names responsible has grown probably in fear of arrest coupled with the regular police patrols that Inspector Jones has provided as promised. The conclusion is that hands on action is the only way forward.

Regards


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on May 18, 2009, 08:02:37 pm
A normal day for residents now contains bully boy phone calls. :(

Harrisons the estate agents today have called residents to say the council has asked them to come out and value there homes and could they book a time.
After the poor residents stopped laughing they told them where to go. ;D nothing like true Fev spirit.  :)


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on May 27, 2009, 08:06:45 pm
Dear ;D

Apologies for not replying sooner; I have now received further information in respect of the points raised.
 
Thank you for the additional information received.  We already have information from other companies re securing products and methods, and initial feedback on the product appears to indicate that it should do the job, but this is always not borne out fully until we see how it stands up to the effects of attack and vandalism, which provide the true test.
 
Re the points made around securing, I have received the following reply from colleagues who manage this aspect of work.
 
"We visit daily and any opening that has been breached in any way is reported that day to Ian Hobson, who in turn deals with it within 24 hours. This isn’t to say that if we report it on Monday it may have been broken into on say Saturday or even the Friday before. So in theory during a normal working week it could be open for 48 hours depending on when we noticed it in relation to when it happened.

Of late we have been opening properties up to get the disconnections done and so the same door may be opened over a period of a couple of days which of course is resecured each afternoon."

The last information I have is that 2 properties were identified as open on Thursday afternoon, and these had been reported to the contractor who was attending that afternoon.  I believe that the team are going to commission this shuttering for one property as a final test of its robustness.
 
Re any CPO action, as previously stated, CPO will be pursued only as a last resort, and paperwork is being prepared for submission in August, subject to sign off through Cabinet.
 
I trust this clarifies.
 
Regards
 
Janet Howley
Regeneration Manager
Development and Strategic Housing
Room D34
Newton Bar
Leeds Road
Wakefield  WF1 2TX


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on June 19, 2009, 09:28:06 pm
Guess whos back? Yep, the arsonist. Boy is the contactor going to be pissed when the police tell him that his £60+ machine that has only just arrived is the latest victim.
More to the point what did WMDC do or indeed Janet Howly?  The answer, buggar all! 6 houses have been left un-boarded for a week. After contacting Cllr Bickerton the houses are being watched now. Should be fun on Monday morning. ;) ;D


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on July 01, 2009, 09:23:02 pm
18 Jun 09 (new)  1.4 miles  09/01168/DEMNOT  Wakefield
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Address: 15 & 17 Ashcroft Avenue Featherstone Pontefract West Yorkshire WF7 5NQ

Description: Demolition of 1 no semi-detached houses
Status: Pending Consideration
 


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Victor on July 13, 2009, 02:44:21 pm
12th July 09 updated    09/01168/DEMNOT

Address  15  &  17 Ashcroft Avenue Feathersone  WF7 5NQ

Description:  Demolition of a pair of semi-detached houses
Status;  Application Approved


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on July 21, 2009, 07:27:32 pm
Joanne Roney, Chief Executive
Ann Pitard
Housing and public protection
Newton bar
Wakefield
West York’s
Wf1 2tx


19.07.09

Ref: Featherstone Girnhill estate

I am sure you are fully aware that I have for the past 2 years corresponded important information regarding public safety on the Ginhill estate to Janet Howley and WMDC departments with deep concerns requiring so called available help.

In 2002 when the WMDC had a report done on the estate (costing thousands of pounds), the idea was to re-design the estate, leaving the majority of the houses and modifying the centre area where Harold Westwood lived. At that stage WMDC only owned 30+ houses out of the 170+.
Around 2004, a top official of a housing association was taken around the site, as it was beginning to deteriorate rather fast. The comments from the official was "it is common for council's to neglect estates on purpose, by reducing services, i.e. by not collecting bins or rubbish, allowing drains to stay blocked up for long periods, and also when a property is demolished, not checking that the drains were properly sealed off, so that they could not disrupt the existing drainage system.
When demolition takes place, the gullies and soil pipes connected to that building should be sealed off, so that no debris can get into the drains, (I am 100% sure that this will be written into the demolition contract by WMDC), I know this did not happen at the outset, as I checked on some of the very first properties to be demolished.  A copy of the contract  can be checked and if I am correct, then WMDC should immediately take the appropriate action by checking all the drains themselves of the properties demolished and then make the contractor sort them out whilst WMDC have payments outstanding to the contractor.

 My reason for now contacting you is to move the situation up a step of command as the first step has significantly failed in its public duty of care. My first consideration was Janet Howleys boss Ann Pitard. Upon reflection two steps up the command ladder should be taken and the chief executive informed similarly. The situation created on the Girnhill estate by WMDC requires many actions. For now, the immediate concern has to be rectifying life threatening and un-fit for human habitation injustices. I could go on and on, but the residents are now faced with the threat of murder or attempted murder by arson as not yet seen but anticipated and predicted.
Every day is “Friday 13th” on the Girnhill (Girnhell) estate Featherstone. Friday the 17th of July 2009 was no exception, not to mention the rain that lasted all day and night
The day started very badly for one individual at 6am as he returned to his home after a night shift. As the resident entered his home he was hit with a smell of smoke. Only to aware of what this meant the man immediately surveyed his property inside and out and the adjoining semi that had been boarded up By WMDC and left empty. To his horror the adjoining property had been attacked in the usual way seen so often and documented for the past 3 years. 2 rows of bottom roof tiles had been removed including the felt and the ridge apex tiles had been smashed. This is the same documented style of preparation prior to arson. Evidence is easily available on U-tube of the techniques being experimented with,



You can clearly see smoke constantly bellowing out of one of these holes (just below the chimney stack) that appears to help fuel the fire! Almost as if someone has worked out the best method. If you pause it at 1.49 and 2.30, you can see it! You can see the hole does the trick at 3:56 as this is where the fire first breaks through on that house!

House in questions roof                                                            
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How much worse could things get? In Featherstone worse is the daily norm. The man then called the fire brigade. Amazingly the call was not taken as serious? In desperation the man called Cllr Bickerton who managed to get a 999 response. At this point the man (my good friend) called me as he had heard a noise from the garden and could still smell smoke. As I arrived at 8.15am I could smell damp smoke around the front of the property. I examined the roof tiles. They had been vandalized as seen before previous arson attacks. The fire brigade arrived minutes later and examined the property. There immediate report that I can confirm is that the fire service agreed that there was a smell of smoke. An examination with a heat sensor revealed no lasting hotspots. The property was not entered mainly as it would have required removing a metal door cover that once removed the fire service knew would not be re-fitted correctly. I will come back to this point.
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Whilst waiting for the fire service to carry out there search I walked to the rear of the property. The rear of the property is densely covered with undergrowth. Walking along the back perimeter I tried to discover where an entry had been made. To my amazement as I tried to look through the bush’s I found a door just visible under the Ivy. The door revealed a well built large concrete garage that was obviously being used as a den/ hang out. The building had been left by the demolition men. It is a magnet to attract undesirables to rear of occupied properties.
As I came away I bumped in to our local PCSO. I informed him of the events and the garage. We inspected the garage again and agreed that it needed to be demolished ASAP. As we both walked away we bumped in to a contractor. The conversation was an eye opener. Firstly the contractor explained that he had been warned that there was a man going around the estate taking pictures and “causing trouble”. I was only too happy to reply “well that must be me”. I explained that far from causing trouble I was actually trying to prevent serious injury or indeed death not to mention help stop the misery and suffering being inflicted on the residents. I provided the contractor with a back ground who agreed that the estate was over run with scrap men and gangs of youths causing damage daily. A WMDC person had been inspecting the site twice a week. This is different from the 3 times a day supposedly implemented.
The most interesting comment came regards stopping the arson/ vandalism to the contractor’s equipment. Apparently after asking about who is who in the area the contractor met a local who I know. The best bit is that money is being paid to this person for help. I choose my words wisely as I am sure you understand the reality. Amazing how money is paid and fire stops.
I could not help but notice a dark coloured metal container on the road being used as an office. There are no light to warn vehicles nor have I seen any application published asking for permission. Please can you confirm this unit is in order as I believe it is a traffic hazard?
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The male resident asked me for help as the continuing rain was now entering the adjoining semi and would cause damp to his property and at worst flooding. If that was not bad enough the roof now sat prepared to be ignited as seen in over 90 previous documented examples over 2 years alone.
As there was absolutely no point in wasting time contacting the person nominated to deal with these known problems Janet Howley, the next person in command Ann Pitard was contacted. After talking to Ann it was agreed that someone would come out and inspect the roof.
By 3.30pm no repair works had begun nor had anyone been seen to be surveying. After confirming with the male resident the situation a further problem came to light. In his garden Raw sewage was now backing up in the man hole in his garden and the water level was rising. This had previously poured over the top. At the rear of the property contractors had been demolishing houses and clearing the site. It would appear that there works have resulted in destroying the main sewer again. Earlier this year WMDC had been informed that the drains on Girnhill lane that flow towards the male resident had been blocked by the contractor. After extensive excavations it was discovered that the main sewer had in fact been destroyed. To repair it would be very expensive and require a new sewer. As no evidence of a new sewer being installed has ever been seen to be carried out the residents assumed that the huge hole then dug behind the properties was to create a soak away for the streets sewage. It would appear the contractors have now crushed this temporary fix. Without delay a septic tank is required burying on the garages site at the side of the property and then connecting to these sewers. WMDC created the problem, WMDC are aware of the problem and WMDC will be responsible for flooding residents with sewage again unless immediate action is taken.
I again tried to contact Ann but could only speak to David Jones. I informed David of the situation. David agreed to look in to the matter and call me back. I received a call then from Ann. Ann informed me that someone had been to the house but had reported that there was just an odd loose slate. 18 missing and smashed tiles look nothing like a few slipped tiles. I informed Ann again fully about the problems and the new problem of raw sewage. Ann agreed to look in to what had happened and would call me back. I reminded Ann that it was getting on for 4pm and that when problems had been previously reported on a Friday that they were often un-resolved and left until Monday with an excuse that everyone had now gone home.
I received a further call from Ann just after 4pm informing me that there was indeed no one to carry out the repair. Ann asked if I knew a good local roofing company who could possibly attend. I passed on the details of someone that I knew. Ann confirmed that Bob Hall was on his way to visit the house and inspect the problems.
At 4.35pm I received a further call from Ann informing me that Bob was on the estate but could not find the property. I agreed to attend and point out the way.
Upon reaching the house I met Bob and the roofing company. The problems were pointed out. The roofing company pointed out to Bob who was holding a Chevin Housing umbrella that his company had ironically been working for Chevin all day. They had spent the end of the day in a situation where health and safety had stopped their works as they had worked for to long in the miserable conditions. WMDC had had all day to provide a roof repair. The roofing company agreed to return Saturday morning and repair the roof. This has now been done to a good standard.
The drains were shown to Bob who agreed there had been issues and that a new sewer was required. Bob agreed to have the sewer pumped out. As of Sunday we are still waiting.
As the implications of raw sewage are devastating to a healthy living environment I contacted the trading standards for advice. The reply was that I should contact WMDC environment health and the water board. As WMDC had created the problem it was bizarre to think the fault also required registering with another department. As this is the correct way to record the fault the process was started. The reference for the destroyed drains on Girnhill lane is C61845 of the date 17th July 2009.
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Finally and again for the record it is apparent from the evidence that WMDC is failing in its duty of care to the residents and surrounding locals. All the problems and concerns endured by these poor people has been documented and provided to you for the last 2 years at least. Solutions such as heavy duty re-usable shutters have been ignored. So called daily patrols come and go more or less often depending on how close the fires get to actually killing someone. There are houses on the estate that have now been empty for a month and never boarded up. One house the door is unlocked and looks to have been ransacked already. The elderly gent living next door is terrified. If the arsonist does not get him he will probably get run over trying to get around the many obstacles on the pavements.
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The police, fire service and arson investigation team have all agreed in front of Janet Howley that the estate is “un-fit for human habitation” and requires “24hour security”. Still nothing has changed.
A response in the form of action would be appreciated more than any words.

Regards


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on July 23, 2009, 08:42:00 pm
Without minor changes;

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Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Kim685 on July 25, 2009, 10:17:31 am
Has anyone heard anything about Verner yet?


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on July 25, 2009, 09:26:33 pm
There is lots of talk. This plan suggests that Verner is recieving an extra road and the houses on the right side are different. I am sure more will appear ;) ;D
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Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Kim685 on July 25, 2009, 11:54:39 pm
So this suggests that Verner could be redesigned or even rebuilt. Interesting, thanks for that. If you get hold of any more plans or info please post it. :D


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Victor on July 27, 2009, 02:59:44 pm
Planning App 21st July 09 new               09/01373/DEMNOT

Address: 9 and 11 Ashcroft Road Featherstone Pontefract West Yorkshire WF7 5NL

Description: The demolition of no*s  9 and 11 Ashcroft Road, including breaking up of all hardstandings and foundations.

Status:  Insufficient Fee





















Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on August 02, 2009, 11:22:21 am
Sorry about that ::) :P



Joanne Roney, Chief Executive
Ann Pitard
Housing and public protection
Newton bar
Wakefield
West York’s
Wf1 2tx


02.08.09

Ref: Featherstone Girnhill estate

Yet another 2 weeks of enforced hell has been endured by the Girnhill residents. In response to my letter 2 weeks a go the drains appear to be the only problem that has been investigated. Strangely one team has been digging whilst an individual’s quest could not find the house until a week ago. By this time a third person/s entered Mr Cottinghams property and sucked the offending effluent out. Cohesion appears to have been very lacking.
I still wait for a full response.
The second important issue as documented for 2 years is empty property security. The properties listed for the past weeks/ months still remain either un-boarded or entered and not repaired.
The residents continue to suffer daily without response.
The situation is now far beyond reasonable. Public safety is blatantly being ignored.
Regards


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Mr T on August 02, 2009, 12:50:48 pm
OK...I give in...Cooker tops...Girnhill Lane...*CONFUSED*  ???


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Forkhandles on August 02, 2009, 01:27:38 pm
gftgf must be the clue ::) :-\


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on August 06, 2009, 08:34:51 pm
Joanne Roney, Chief Executive
Ann Pitard, Housing and public protection
WMDC
Newton bar
Wakefield
West York’s
Wf1 2tx


06.08.09

Ref: Featherstone Girnhill estate

I have received little or no response to my letters sent to you dated 19.07.09 and 02.08.09. I did not expect that there would be a response after 2 years of notifying WMDC regards enforced public safety issues even after providing you with a meeting with police fire service and arson task force to remedy the matter. Shutter designs provided have still not been implemented since March after again providing you with all the details.
As it is now reasonable to consider that WMDC are at fault I have recorded a complaint to the WMDC complaint department against the entire Regeneration, Development and Strategic Housing department for their failure of “duty of care”  and “endangerment of  public life” at the “huge cost of the rate payers”.
After incidents today it is clear that my complaints require even more consideration. Today has seen the most bizarre and blatant disregards for the public of Featherstone that I have to ask who or how many people will be sacked.
The contractors today have left the Girnhill estate in such a state that it begs belief.  No 9/11 Ashcroft road have not only been left unsecured but the windows and doors have been removed from the front and back.

Front                                                                                
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Rear
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If this is not bad enough the contractors have piled a small bonfire of combustibles in each front and back doorway and garage. Perhaps they think the £100 per week protection they are paying makes them immune?

Front
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Rear
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Like the many poor sets of workmen employed to work to these standards by WMDC there has been no monitoring as claimed would be by Janet Howley.  A final sprinkle of toxic waste to the recipe on the unsecured site is asbestos in a neat pile just ready to burn.
 I expect that by the time you read this letter the property will be a burnt out shell with surrounding residents as usual recovering from the chocking smoke.


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For the record the situation today was reported to WMDC regeneration at 5.05pm. It was then reported to WMDC contact centre ref: C61845 at 6.05pm. It was reported to police and fire service at 6.15pm ref 149806.08.09.

As usual the situation is far beyond reasonable. Public safety is blatantly being ignored and a “duty of care” to the Featherstone public is being ignored.
I would appreciate that the WMDC complaints procedure is hurried to less than a 28 day response. The matter then can finally be passed in full to the local government Ombudsman who may then stop a life being lost. Talking of lives lost. After 2 months an elderly gent still lives in a semi with the empty side unsecured fully and door unlocked as reported several times before. It would be very fair to say that if arson were to take place that the blood would be on WMDC hands.
Regards






Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on August 06, 2009, 08:39:30 pm
A reply has been received from the district council requesting an immediate response from the perpetrators.


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on August 10, 2009, 09:49:49 pm
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Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on August 15, 2009, 08:49:27 pm
A small victory for the remaining residents. Pity that this should have been implimented from the start :(

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Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on August 15, 2009, 08:58:40 pm
So this suggests that Verner could be redesigned or even rebuilt. Interesting, thanks for that. If you get hold of any more plans or info please post it. :D

Item 3.10 sounds intersting ;)

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Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on August 18, 2009, 07:48:27 pm
Address: 9, 11 Ashcroft Road Featherstone Pontefract West Yorkshire WF7 5NL

Description: The demolition on no's 9 and 11 Ashcroft Road, including breaking up of all hardstandings and foundations.
Status: Pending Decision
 

 
 
09/01510/DEM  Wakefield
Show on map 
Address: 14 & 16 Ashcroft Road Featherstone Pontefract West Yorkshire WF7 5NL

Description: Demolition of 2 no semi-detached dwellings
Status: Pending Consideration
 


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: John on August 21, 2009, 07:51:51 pm
Hope the dog can swim,looked well peering down manhole.Ann Pittard,Janet Howley and all associated with the Department that is handling Girnhell lane estate and VERNER STREET ie the Rip off and Regenerate Dept ot WMDC (Wakefields Mugabe Demolishing Contractors) (dint vote for NL so bulldozers in) know exactly whats happening,a look around other councils show they all carry out Regeneration schemes the same way,shove a few undesireables into empty properties and the thin edge of wedge is in,people soon get fed up and move because as all find out,council does nowt,just sit back on arses and let nature take its course.look at DTZ.....£100,000 to tell WMDC how to tidy up Station Lane,no problem,lets start by knocking the Eastern side of station lane down from Post office rd to Wakefield road they say,why not ask locals,no chance cos a little ruse they used in Girnhill lane estate was........do you want house knocking down and rebuilding?a big YES was what they knew they would get so they sent the letter AFTER the improvements had been done,if they're wanting to knock things down like the baths,let it get into a state where Demolishing it is the only way out,in Adrians case and all of us that has lived up there lack of police patrols and council have contributed to it.Back to the sewers then I'll sign off,Pont races  looming up........Alan Bailey that lived at 5 Ashcroft Ave has had a lot of trouble with his back yard and rear of Garages with sewerage for years he got it before it reached Adrian,this was blamed on nappies down drains rear of semi's on Ashcroft Road to the left of school access/verner footpath on Ashcroft Road,hope not bored you but lets hope you get a bit of history out of my reply,cheers,John


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Forkhandles on August 21, 2009, 09:48:13 pm
Good post john, theres some food for thought there ;D


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Whistleblower on August 22, 2009, 02:00:58 pm
I’ve spoken to a few people today in station lane who say the remaining residents have had a final letter saying the council are now going to go ahead with the compulsory purchase order  ??? >:(


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Whistleblower on August 23, 2009, 07:02:05 pm
Noticed that 35 Ashcroft Avenue has been boarded up after being empty for over 12 months, the neighbours at 33 and 37 asked if the property could be left unboarded to try and stop the vandals attacking it as it looked like someone was still living there, this has worked upto now as no one has ever touched the property. As soon as the shutters were put on it has started attracting the low life scum to it, just how long before the shutters are ripped off and the vandals get in is anyone’s guess  ???


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Victor on August 24, 2009, 12:20:04 pm
09/01193/DEMNOT  WakefieldShow on map 
Address: 7 Ashcroft Road & 2 Ashcroft Avenue Featherstone Pontefract West Yorkshire WF7 5NL
Description: Demolition of 2No semi-detached dwellings and associated works
Status: Prior Approval Not Required
 


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on August 24, 2009, 08:24:01 pm
Forgive me for being picky. Shouldnt a planning application have both semis house numbers? ;)


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on August 25, 2009, 10:29:23 pm

Looks like someones complaints got every resident a letter of apology for the poor hedge cutting.

There has been rumour about compulsery purchase notices. They are not compulsery purchase notices  they are asking for info on your property. Whats strange is that its a firm called persona associates
who WMDC have hired to gather this info From Horsham west sussex??

Sounds to me like a late charge from the caveralry ::)


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on August 29, 2009, 08:10:25 pm
LOOKS LIKE THE FINAL BATTLE LINE HAS BEEN DRAWN.
From here on things get very interesting.


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Section 16 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 provides as follows-
1. Where, with a view to performing a function conferred on a local authority by an enactment, the authority considers that it ought to have information connected with any land, the authority may serve on one or more of the following persons, namely-
(a) the occupier of the land; and
(b) any person who has an interest in the land either as freeholder, mortgagee or lessee or who directly or indirectly receives rent for the land; and
(c) any person who, in pursuance of an agreement between himself and a person interested in the land, is authorised to manage the land or to arrange for the letting of it,
a notice specifying the land and the function and the enactment which confers the function and requiring the recipient of the notice to furnish to the authority, within a period specified in the notice (which shall not be less than fourteen days beginning with the day on which the notice is served), the nature of his interest in the land and the name and address of each person whom the recipient of the notice believes is the occupier of the land and of each person whom he believes is, as respects the land, such a person as is mentioned in the provisions of paragraph (b) and (c) of this subsection.
2. A person who-
(a) fails to comply with the requirements of a notice served on him in pursuance of the preceding subsection; or
(b) in furnishing any information in compliance with such a notice makes a statement which he knows to be false in a material particular or recklessly makes a statement which is false in a material particular,
shall be guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the Standard Scale of fines (currently £5,000, subject to alteration by Order).


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on August 31, 2009, 04:21:42 pm
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Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on September 08, 2009, 09:54:10 pm
A meeting was arranged for this afternoon with WMDC and the residents.
How could that go wrong?
The meeting is rearly Wednesday, Whoops! ::)
Janet Howley has been delivering letters by hand on the estate today.
Nothing like a little notice before the most important meeting of some peoples lives :(


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Whistleblower on September 11, 2009, 03:41:36 pm
A meeting was arranged for this afternoon with WMDC and the residents.
How could that go wrong?
How did the meeting go  ???


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on September 13, 2009, 09:18:50 pm
The more I see this story evolve the more I cannot help grinning.
7 suits and 3 women dressed to use their feminity hosted the event.
What was on view was the final plan for the Girnhill estate with works hoping to start in February 2010.

Funny thing is that the residents invited still own their homes?
When questioned how much the houses were with an honest view to reaching a settlement no prices could be offered. How could a resident then agree to stay on the estate as documented as an offer from WMDC?

The entire meeting was advertised for input. There was none received. The new area still has the same play areas that create a rat run.
 Interestingly no 1 Verner street becomes a road. Between the passageway at the school and Verner T junction has a new road in to houses and the school appears to have a road running in to it. I think the road through a school is really a disguise for an extension to the school. Not a bad thing but why hide it. A comment was given that there are no plans for Verner. Why are the road alterations still on the plan then?

Personally the final assault is just about to begin….


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Samantha on September 22, 2009, 12:22:29 pm
Does anyone have a copy of the plan for the new development or know where one can be otained? I was unable to attend the meeting & so have no clues as to what was proposed by Strata.

Thank you.


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on September 22, 2009, 09:04:13 pm
There were no plans on the day to take away only a large print. Apparently there will be another showing in October.

WDH are buying back as much housing stock as they can from private landlords. It doesn’t take much to realise why.

Perhaps the remaining residents could do with Verners support in exchange for their knowledge of how to fight?

The first BBC Tonight programme in October will be showing the Girnhill report.


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Mr T on September 30, 2009, 07:22:18 pm
The Tonight programme featuring Girnhill Lane is on this coming Friday (2nd October) On ITV.


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on October 02, 2009, 08:34:03 pm
The programme was very, very interesting. It answered a few questions and left a huge one un-answered, the real valuations and offers given.



Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Whistleblower on October 03, 2009, 10:09:55 am
Notice in the pont and cas express that most of the roads on the estate are about to be closed off. Heres the program if anyone missed it http://www.itv.com/ITVPlayer/Video/default.html?ViewType=5&Filter=102870 (http://www.itv.com/ITVPlayer/Video/default.html?ViewType=5&Filter=102870)


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Victor on October 05, 2009, 02:32:59 pm
05 OCT09 ( updated )     09/01750/ DEMNOT

Address ;  80 and 82 Girnhill Lane, Featherstone, Pontefract, West Yorkshire,  WF7 5NF

Description : Proposed demolition of 80 and 82 Girnhill Lane

Status :  Prior Approval Not Required..



Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Mr T on October 09, 2009, 04:39:53 pm
REMEMBER THESE PICTURES I POSTED OF THE ESTATE FROM THE AIR IN ALL IT'S GLORY?

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WELL TAKE A LOOK AT IT NOW FROM THE AIR...(THESE 3 PICTURES WERE TAKEN SUNDAY 4TH OCTOBER)

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Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on October 13, 2009, 08:41:43 pm
Great up-date pics.
Looks like an un-used industrial area.

Figures could be wrong but there 7 people left.
I hope they become the magnificent 7 ;D


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on November 04, 2009, 08:58:41 pm
At last an attempt by Stata to show house prices. Some interesting displays at the renaissance opening at Chesneys tonight. The scene looks to be set.
£110k, £150k and £190k homes. All 3 storeys.
A £110k home with a 70% mortgage at £550 for 30 years. Sounds like one hell of a noose to put around a neck.
A friend’s house is shown with 3 of these mixed priced properties. The cheapest is £110k 2 bedroom compared to his 3 and a sixth of the present garden. This is the only near option to him after borrowing a “stake” of £30k.

WHERE IS THE PUBLISHED LIKE FOR LIKE DEAL? :P

An easy question you would think now given the further details. ::)


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Whistleblower on December 09, 2009, 08:56:37 pm
Another 2 residents have sold up and left the estate  :(


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Kim685 on December 12, 2009, 09:38:05 pm
2 more houses on fire as we speak, must be the one's that moved out :(


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Mr T on December 13, 2009, 06:45:06 pm
I have just had a drive around to see if I could see anything regarding the fires that occured last night that Kim mentioned, and it looks like it was the final block of 4 houses left on Ashcroft Road! One of them is missing it's roof, the other 3 (suprisingly) are untouched! The fire brigade must have got there quick and got it under control as it usually spreads and takes the lot! How's this for a coincidence, as I was reading the post this afternoon that Kim put, I noticed smoke coming from the same area, and 2 fire engines turned up again to them! It looks like they are going to be easy targets until they come down, and I think it needs to be quick as there is someone still living next door to this block! The latest person to move off the estate, did so on Tuesday, and that now leaves another pair of empty semi's at the top of Ashcroft Avene and once again, the 2 pair's of semi's next to these empty ones also have people still living in them!


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Mr T on December 14, 2009, 05:33:21 pm
The fire brigade are (as I type) attending to the same block of 4 houses mentioned in my last post only 24 hours ago! A lot more smoke this time!


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Whistleblower on December 14, 2009, 07:55:56 pm
What’s the odds on the pair of houses on Ashcroft Ave been burnt down before Christmas  ??? >:(


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on December 14, 2009, 10:19:21 pm

Regeneration Team
Development and Strategic Housing
Room D34
Newton Bar
Leeds Road
Wakefield
WF1 2TX


14.012.09

Dear Mr Wallhead

You were aware of my last report concerning the Girnhill estate Featherstone 2 weeks ago at the Featherstone renaissance committee meeting. You and the others present were informed by me of the continuing neglect regards the duty of care that WMDC have failed to provide when properties became empty. This same information had been provided at every meeting concerning the estate over the last 2 years and almost daily to your department and WMDC contact centre.
Yet again to prove the degradation inflicted upon the surrounding residents I wish to point out one repeated fact. The houses at the end of Ashcroft Avenue were almost empty except for 2. The block is the last block of 6. The only shutter system that would secure this property as provided to Janet Howley in February by way of scale drawings and prices was not fitted all around. I pointed out to you 2 weeks ago that to put the correct shutters on only the front door was a waste of money and of no good to stop the problem.
I am sure you will be interested to know that over the weekend 8 homes were set on fire. I will give you one guess how they got in? Yes the unsecure back door!
Thanks to the speedy response of Featherstone fire brigade the fire was quickly put out. The result was that only 3 homes looked devastated from outside.
Out of interest today I was driving near by and drove past. I was lucky to find a well known scrap man and team at work. There white twin wheel pick up reg no Y542 BYC is well known for various offences. The house they were in was the last one at the end of Ashcroft Avenue. There was not one shutter on any door or window after being removed 48 hours earlier.
This information was reported to the police. As ever the police person taking the call could not grasp that this was fire no 99 in 2 years and 4 months.
I attempted to report the information to the 0845 WMDC number. I ended up with a repeat message to hang up as lines were to busy. As thieves were on site robbing your property I thought it wise to call WMDC switch board and tell them. My comments must have done the trick as I was put straight through to the contact centre. The situation was explained including properties that required immediate securing.
I can inform you that the shuttering was not completed nor any site visit. The consequences were that earlier this evening the properties were set on fire again. I am fairly certain that the arsonist is the scrap man on this occasion who will have the bare face cheek to turn up tomorrow and continue stripping his scrap. There is not a lot WMDC can do as again they have failed. What could be done is a little communication with the police and a trap set.
With the knowledge I have and the fact that WMDC are to shortly shut down for Christmas I can only assume that the Featherstone fire brigade can be sure to be dragged away from their Christmas whilst I pay for the risk.

Regards

 ;)


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Kim685 on December 15, 2009, 12:20:24 pm
The road to verner was blocked off for almost an hour yesterday teatime, because of the emergency services, so no cars could get through.


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on December 15, 2009, 08:21:00 pm
Now that is a very good point. Verner can now be blocked of :( >:( ;)

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The next house is also another good point. You can see all the windows and doors un-covered. They never have been!
The poor owner was still moving out! At last is this a clean cut case of "ARSON"?

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Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Forkhandles on December 15, 2009, 09:54:18 pm
That was a realy nice house, it must be bloody heartbreaking for the former owners, there not just material things, they hold a lot of happy memories for people too :(


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Kim685 on December 16, 2009, 11:33:41 am
Mr Hill only moved out last week his house was second pic. He would be heartbroken if he saw that. I used to live in the one in first pic (no 25) up to being 11 (I'm 51 now)  Mr & Mrs  Hill lived there then so they have lived there a very long time.


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: John on December 16, 2009, 09:29:58 pm
The highways agency is a powerful part of any council. The highways act and its many amendments do cover persistently closed public highways.


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on December 20, 2009, 05:59:44 pm

Regeneration Team
Development and Strategic Housing
Room D34
Newton Bar
Leeds Road
Wakefield
WF1 2TX


20.12.09

Dear Mr Wallhead

I have as yet not received a response from you regards my letter sent to you all last week. Further to my letter sent to you last week, information received confirms my concerns regards to the safety of the Featherstone public.
During last week there were 3 fires in the same properties. This was obviously made very easy as the properties were not properly secured.
My concerns grow in light of new information. Again you are aware of the road closures that now leave only 1 access to Verner Street. In the last week this access has been blocked off completely. This has resulted in a number of repercussions that are wide ranging and life threatening.
During the time of the first fire the elderly people’s home was due to start its Christmas party. The entertainment could not get through resulting in a 2 hour delay leaving many residents simply falling asleep. At the other end of the scale you also had care workers and medical supplies at both sides of the fire unable to get through. This resulted in late medication and late attendance to provide care. It is by luck that no serious incident occurred at the home or within the residents of Verner Street.
The same situation was repeated because of the next 2 fires. As the situation still exists with the addition of snow and black ice I believe it fair to predict that if there is another fire then there is a fair chance a fatal incident resulting.
As this is now obviously a highways issue it should be fair to request the immediate demolition of the properties concerned in the interest of saving human life.
 I cannot inform you much more only to let you know of the first fatality.

Regards


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on December 21, 2009, 09:45:04 pm
Dear  ;D ;)
 
You e-mails have been forwarded to me and I have discussed the points made with officers who deal with the Estate management.  They have confirmed that lockable door shutters have been fitted to properties since the summer to coincide with the installation of alarms. Orbis are the company who are fitting these, as they are the market leader.  As previously reported, officers did investigate the specification provided by you but could not get regular and comprehensive contact arrangements in place with your suggested supplier.  As it is often necessary to have a presence on the Estate, this supplier has now been set aside in preference to Orbis who attend when requested and also out of hours if the alarms are triggered.

Orbis did attend when the fires broke out and attempted to secure all openings after the fires had been extinguished; however, the fire service deemed some openings as too dangerous to allow the crew back in to cover.

The daily inspections continue and work is ordered as soon as it is either discovered or passed on.  They have been on the Estate this morning, where it appears that some screens have been removed over the weekend.  These are to be rectified today.

With respect to no 31 Ashcroft Road not being secured, this was because the Council have not yet purchased it, and the owner was moving out for the whole of the previous week before the fire.  The owner has now given us permission to secure the property, as he has removed all his possessions and we have undertaking the necessary works to shutter it (at our own cost).

All the empty properties are being prepared for demolition, but this will not take place until early in the New year to allow for the removal of services and any asbestos.  It is not possible to demolish them any quicker than this in order to comply with the required notices.

I note your comments re access to Verner Street, but would state that the disruption was only for a relatively short period, and if emergency vehicles had required to access the Estate, the fire service would have allowed this.  Hopefully, the removal of these empty properties soon into the New year will restore this access more comprehensively.

I trust this answers the points raised within your 2 e-mails.

 
Yours sincerely

Janet Howley

Regeneration Manager

Development and Strategic Housing

Room D34

Newton Bar

Leeds Road

Wakefield  WF1 2TX


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on January 03, 2010, 09:56:48 pm
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I can only suggest again that WMDC is not receiving value for money and dare to say they are being ripped off by Orbis. If there were daily checks why are the shutters not the correct ones and why are the incorrect ones ripped open? Why also have the so called alarms not gone off?

In response to Janet’s last paragraph I would like to point out for the record its lack of concern for the people concerned who have an elderly majority. Janet’s short period can be as little as 1 or up to 6 hours. The fire service when asked considers it unreasonable to move an appliance in the middle of a fire fight. When they could be there every day and have all ready attended 3 times in 1 week “ a short period” sounds more and more deadly.

Out of interest 2 WMDC neighborhood patrollers came to see me on Saturday regards the bins at the precinct, a subject I will come back to. When questioned regards the Girnhill estate it was interesting to hear that they had no briefing to conduct daily inspections. Amazingly they did make an examination after leaving that led to the shutters being repaired. Not for long as you can see from the pictures.

I am sure absolutely buggar all will be done to fit the shutters that WMDC know will stop this. The next set of fires behind Henly Drive should be interesting to view with the toxic smoke that is sure to fill their £180k homes. Perhaps these people will mean more than the residents of Verner Street.

Regards
 ;)


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Victor on January 18, 2010, 12:34:19 pm

17 Jan 10 (updated)   09/02157/DEMNOT  Wakefield
Show on map 
Address: 21 -27 Ashcroft Road Featherstone Pontefract Wakefield WF7 5NL

Description: Demolition of dwellings: no 21-27 Ashcroft Road, Featherstone
Status: Prior Approval Not Required
 


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on January 19, 2010, 09:11:14 pm
Thank you for your Email of 3 January. Given the comments you have made, I have asked to meet with Janet Howley and Ann Pittard tomorrow so that I might understand exactly what is or is not being done. I will drop you a detailed response thereafter.
 
With regards to the bins, I did ask Rob Mately to see if we could locate and provide lockable bins as suggested. I asked Rob to contact you directly in this regard and copy me in. I am sure that he will do this, this week.
 
Andy Wallhead
Corporate Director Regeneration, Culture and Sport
Wakefield MDC


STILL NO AGREED PROPPER SHUTTERS THEN ::)


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on January 26, 2010, 07:17:16 pm
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AND STILL NO AGREED PROPPER SHUTTERS THEN ::)


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Mr T on January 31, 2010, 12:45:39 pm
The latest photo's from the flyover! Like I said, the majority came out all blurred due to the flying conditions, but these few were OK! These are taken more closer than the previous one's and it shocking to believe, this area was once full of life and the most popular estate in Featherstone to live many years ago! For the photo of Station Lane, see "Aerial Photograph Of Featherstone" (Improve The Forum)

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Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Kim685 on January 31, 2010, 11:06:41 pm
Makes you heartsick to look at it. So sad.


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Forkhandles on February 01, 2010, 01:32:34 pm
Yes it is sad to see kim, lets hope its not too long before its all built up again.


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Mr T on February 02, 2010, 07:10:27 pm
The digger is back on site, but suprisingly, it's parked outside the houses at the top of Girnhill Lane as opposed to the burnt out ones on Ashcroft Road! Leave the eye sores up a bit longer instead of getting rid of them or maybe they want to start creating gaping holes on that side of the estate as soon as possible!


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Mr T on February 04, 2010, 06:53:20 pm
The digger is back on site, but suprisingly, it's parked outside the houses at the top of Girnhill Lane as opposed to the burnt out ones on Ashcroft Road! Leave the eye sores up a bit longer instead of getting rid of them or maybe they want to start creating gaping holes on that side of the estate as soon as possible!

To add to this previous post of mine, I think they are demolishing the burnt out ones first, apparently the digger is parked where it is to help reduce the risk of it going up in flames!


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on February 04, 2010, 09:59:37 pm

They didnt listen about needing 24 hour security for the last 2 industrial units set on fire.
Dont worry MrT remember the project is being run by WMDC ::) no security over night resulted in the fuel lines being cut and the dieasel stolen ::)
It will take at least until the weekend to be torched dont you think ;D


Title: Re: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Victor on February 15, 2010, 09:13:57 am
 14th Feb (updated)      09/02385/DEMNOT

 Address:  31 & 33 Ashcroft Avenue Featherstone Pontefract  WF7 5NQ

 Description:  Demolition of no 31 and 33 Ashcroft Avenue

 Status :  Prior Approval Not Required.

 

 14th Feb (updated)     09/02384/DEMNOT

  Address:  29 & 31 Ashcroft Road Featherstone Pontefract  WF7 5NL

  Description:  Demolition of no 29 and 31 Ashcroft Road

  Status:   Prior Approval Not Required.


Title: Re: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on February 16, 2010, 10:45:13 pm
Anyone spotted the deliberate mistake?
There have been no fires for the first time during demolition. Why? The possibility of a death perhaps to great. Before it was worth the chance? :(


Title: Re: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: John on February 20, 2010, 08:42:07 pm
Mr T was that your man today flying over? ;D


Title: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Mr T on February 22, 2010, 06:54:23 pm
Mr T was that your man today flying over? ;D

No not today John  :)


Title: Re: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on February 22, 2010, 09:23:32 pm
Another new twist provided by the Girnhell demolition experts.
So intense were the works to demolish empty homes on Girnhill lane on Friday that the vibrations travelled across the road to the private homes. One man asleep in bed was awoken by the noise and mortar falling down his own cavity walls. After getting out of bed the man could not help but notice various parts of his wooden floors now creaking. This person is now seeking advice.


Title: Re: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Forkhandles on February 23, 2010, 01:05:34 pm
BLOODY HELL!!!!!!!!!! that sounds serious :o


Title: Re: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: fev angel on February 23, 2010, 04:35:45 pm
Another new twist provided by the Girnhell demolition experts.
So intense were the works to demolish empty homes on Girnhill lane on Friday that the vibrations travelled across the road to the private homes. One man asleep in bed was awoken by the noise and mortar falling down his own cavity walls. After getting out of bed the man could not help but notice various parts of his wooden floors now creaking. This person is now seeking advice.

omg how long will it take befor some one has checked it  :(


Title: Re: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Kim685 on February 23, 2010, 05:23:22 pm
That doesn't sound good at all  :o


Title: Re: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on March 02, 2010, 08:17:24 pm
There is always a “twist” to the Girnhell story. The latest demolishing contractor left the site today ahead of time. The last 3 homes he was due to demolish are next to 2 occupied homes. The problems then start. It appears that many years ago some dimwit decided to burry the gas mains only 2 ft down. Any demolition would rupture the pipe. The only way to work would be to cut the homes off. WMDC appear to have failed to get this sorted.
Does anyone know the regulation for the depth a gas main should be buried? Two ft sounds wrong. Perhaps the residents could call HSE and demand a new gas main that would cost £60k plus. Always a good bargaining tool.

An update on the shutters. This is the written correspondence when the question was put to Janet Howley
2.3   Para 3.1 - JH updated on the current use of screens and a lockable door. GY disagrees that this product is the optimum, but Orbis are the market leader. JH to feed points back to the estate management team.

How difficult is it to decide a steel plate is stronger than tin foil.


Title: Re: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: saneasaduck on March 02, 2010, 09:09:43 pm
How deep should gas mains and services be laid?
Introduction
The Health and Safety Executive [HSE] receives a number of enquiries each year about the minimum depth at which gas mains and services should be laid. Often the enquiries are prompted when members of the public damage pipes at home (for example when gardening) or contractors damage pipes when carrying out work at domestic premises (for example when relaying driveways).

This information document summarises the legal requirements concerning how deep gas mains and services should be laid and the precautions required to minimise the risk of damage to pipes from third party activities. The guidance should be considered as minimum good practice standards.

Minimum depth requirements
Gas mains and service pipes should be designed and installed in accordance with the requirements of the Pipelines Safety Regulations 1996 (PSR). PSR does not specify how deep mains and services should be laid.

However, the Regulations are supported by HSE guidance 'A guide to the Pipelines Safety Regulations 1996' and there is also a Health & Safety Commission [HSC] Approved Code of Practice and Guidance 'Design, construction and installation of gas service pipes'.

These publications refer to the Institution of Gas Engineers' guidance 'IGE/TD/3 Distribution Mains' and 'IGE/TD/4: Gas services' which specify the minimum depth of cover which gas mains and services should be laid in order to minimise the risk of accidental third party damage.

HSE expects mains and services to be laid at the depths specified in these publications unless other effective precautions are taken to minimise the risk of third party damage.

A gas main should normally be laid with a minimum depth of cover of 750 mm in a road or verge and 600 mm in a footpath.
A gas service pipe should normally be laid with a minimum depth of cover of 375 mm in private ground and 450 mm in footpaths and highways.
However, these depths are only a guide and should not be relied on when carrying out work near gas services or mains. For example, road levelling, landscaping and other changes to ground conditions after a gas main or service has been laid (often decades before) can result in the depth of the ground cover changing over time. Also, gas pipes may have projections coming from them, such as valves, which are not shown on plans and may have less depth of cover than the pipe


Title: Re: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on March 03, 2010, 07:28:07 pm
That’s a great answer in the spirit of helping others. Thanks.
That’s a dam good set of information Saneasaduck. It looks at first I may have to eat my words as 2 ft is not far off 600mm. the contractor must know something more than 600mmm to pull off especially when the rest of the estate except one area has had no problems. The one area that did had a gas leak after a low dug pipe was ruptured. Apparently cost a fortune to fix. I will have to read what you have pointed out first, unless perhaps you know a depth that should be worked to? ;D


Title: Re: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: saneasaduck on March 03, 2010, 08:37:49 pm
todays regs state •Outside underground natural gas steel pipe should have at least 12 inches (0.3 m) of cover.
•Plastic pipes with natural gas should have at least 18 inches (0.45 m) of cover.
does not seem alot i do know going back 10 years or so we had to dig down at least a metre.


Title: Re: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on March 28, 2010, 08:46:53 pm
Politics is a funny old game. Almost as funny as the new slur Featherstone labour supporters are attempting.
Labour: “Independent Cllrs have not tried to help the poor Girnhell residents”. What about the 5 years of supporting letters and on the spot help? What about the present Ombudsman investigation begun as WMDC refuse to listen or act?
Cllr Dick comments “I will make public the town clerks happenings”. Sadly that is exactly what he cannot do has he has just joined the freedom of information club.
What he could do is use his title and write a letter of support for a like for like deal just like the residents have all ways asked for.
The Girnhell war is far from over and will be entering its final battle shortly. Will Cllr Dick toe the party line or help the people?
The evidence on this forum tells the story. Where and when did labour help?


Title: Re: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on August 07, 2010, 10:21:04 pm
Wondered when toeing the labour party line would have to come in to effect.
There are 4 residents remaining on the GirnHELL estate. One happens to be a full blown life long labour party supporter. You would think he would be the last to be bullied…. Wrong!
This poor resident has received a visit from labour party Cllr Dick. The conversation went on the lines of take the deal or we will CPO you. Please try it Labour party Dick.
 ;)


Title: Re: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: yetion1 on September 12, 2010, 06:38:54 pm
HS N92
GIRNHILL
This is a previously developed site within the urban area. The redevelopment of Girnhill Estate is an essential part of
regeneration proposals for Featherstone. Featherstone is classified as an urban settlement, where development of this
scale is appropriate.
Mitigation measures can be taken to resolve or reduce adverse constraint and sustainability issues to acceptable levels.
This is a priority housing redevelopment site. In relation to the Air Quality Action Plan, a planning obligation will be required
to offset the increase in road vehicle trips. A Phase I Desktop Study will be required to identify any potential risks of
contamination. The redesigned housing layout will need to incorporate sufficient accessible greenspace, including a play
area. Other categories of greenspace off-site will require a financial contribution to address quality shortfall. This is a
medium location in relation to current bus services. A minor part of the site is not in the control of the developer and
compulsory purchase order (CPO) procedures are being pursued.


Title: Re: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: Whistleblower on January 19, 2011, 05:23:05 pm
Another one on Girnhill got shuttered up today, glad you got what you wanted Mr C. Only 3 left now  :-\


Title: Re: Girnhill Lane Latest News
Post by: seneca bond on January 20, 2011, 09:19:07 am
I was brought up in cardboard city and have some happy memories. It was a decent place to live once


Title: Re: Girnhill Lane Archived News 5
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