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Title: is this true
Post by: fev angel on April 01, 2009, 07:36:39 pm
In this week's Express
From Pontefract and Castleford Express

* Featherstone councillor Roy Bickerton is being investigated after allegations of misconduct were made against him, we can exclusively reveal.


iam in shock or my eyes have gone funny


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: yetion1 on April 01, 2009, 08:02:49 pm
Oh yes its true ;) But dont forget investigation does not mean guilty. The P+C do not wish to publish other investigations, i wonder why. The P+C will need a centre page when the results come in.
What some one forgot to see was that it will be the key to the door to reveal exactly who has been naughty.
this may give you a clue,

John Pitt

Chief monitoring officer

The standards board

WMDC

Ref: none declaration of interest

 
Dear Mr Pitt

After being contacted by the press today I have been compelled to write to you as a situation has been brought to my attention that a Cllr has been reported to the standards board. There crime appears to be talking to 2 different supermarkets to offer as much help as is allowed to be offered for the sake of the town as an elected member.

I am sure I do not need to remind you of the volatile politics in Featherstone nor the often one sided complaints given. I believe it is time for this to be ended.

I would therefore ask that you consider concerns that appear to be missing. Cllr Margaret Isherwood is a town council member and a WMDC planning committee member. According to a Labour party run web site Cllr Isherwood and proposed labour candidate Richard Taylor have both talked with the owners of the property known as Modetex where the super market is planned. A result of this appears to have manifested in the form of a slanderous letter that has now been acted on by a solicitor who is now perusing the case. Should Cllr Isherwood not declare an interest in this Thursday planning meeting or be excluded pending investigation?

Yet again it would appear that only Independent Cllrs are regularly accused by the Featherstone labour party.


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: fev angel on April 01, 2009, 08:08:54 pm
I don’t always agree with what is and has been happening in Featherstone iam shock to hear this can you reveal why he has had these accusations against him


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: fev angel on April 02, 2009, 10:10:44 pm
http://galleries.wdrh.org.uk/forum2/index.php?topic=195.0

this is a link to a letter on the other forum


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: yetion1 on April 02, 2009, 10:30:55 pm
sorry Karen but all i can see is a scrolling headline. Is the link right?

The headline is a good one, what deal?


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Little Miss Sunshine on April 03, 2009, 07:46:02 am
Yes the links correct! I've just read the letter from Mr and Mrs Green from Head of Planning! :)


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: fev angel on April 03, 2009, 09:10:16 am
thanks can anyon els see this


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: eleanora on April 03, 2009, 11:41:20 am
yes it worked for me ta


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Kim685 on April 03, 2009, 03:29:30 pm
Me too. Interesting letter


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: fev angel on April 03, 2009, 04:45:10 pm
very im shocked to read it dident know who e,ls had seen it on the other forum


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Whistleblower on April 03, 2009, 06:51:57 pm
Your link works fine for me Karen, I saw it yesterday on the other forum and was shocked by it, its easy to jump to the wrong conclusions but it will be interesting when the full story comes out


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: yetion1 on April 03, 2009, 08:17:37 pm
I thank you for checking and all who have confirmed its there.
I can see a telly tubby and a blue screen for comments. I can see elvis and a reply.

I could be wrong, a thought is that i am still locked out. The go away message has now gone?
Any chance of copying and pasting?


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: fev angel on April 03, 2009, 08:24:00 pm
Your link works fine for me Karen, I saw it yesterday on the other forum and was shocked by it, its easy to jump to the wrong conclusions but it will be interesting when the full story comes out
yes it will be i have to say i worked with roy and he doesent seem that kind of person and i very much hope iam wrong


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: saneasaduck on April 03, 2009, 08:36:24 pm
I thank you for checking and all who have confirmed its there.
I can see a telly tubby and a blue screen for comments. I can see elvis and a reply.

I could be wrong, a thought is that i am still locked out. The go away message has now gone?
Any chance of copying and pasting?
it apears to be a photo of a letter so it wont copy and paste?


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Whistleblower on April 03, 2009, 08:42:00 pm
(http://galleries.wdrh.org.uk/forum2/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=195.0;attach=67;image)(http://galleries.wdrh.org.uk/forum2/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=195.0;attach=68;image)


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: yetion1 on April 03, 2009, 09:12:27 pm
Thanks ;D
Time for some reading and checking.


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Willow on April 04, 2009, 01:26:21 pm
In my view there are always to sides to the story and the way I see things though I could be wrong, but wont believe it until some hard evidence come to light.
Council Bickerton has in fact been doing what everyone wanted and is trying to get a supermarket in Featherstone. Netto have shown interest so he has done what he can to help them achieve their goal and give the people what they want.
The rest of the letter seem typical business to me.
Netto want to build a supermarket Mr and Mrs green have the land.
Number 5 comes up for sale, Netto see that this property would benefit them for access to the land if they should acquire the land from the Green's. The Green's also see the property as a ideal opportunity, they would be in a much better bargaining position if they were to own number 5. Number 5 was sold to the highest bidder Netto. The Greens aren't happy about this has they want to sell the land to Lidl (most likely the highest bidder for the land) As number 5 is owned by Netto and this could cause problems for access to the land by Lidl The Green's could loose out.
Paragraph 5 says a lot to me. The Green's are saying if consent isn't given to Lidl then Featherstone won't get a supermarket. They will not enter into discussions with Netto, and will hold onto the land for residential development. Which says to me they have no intention of selling to Netto or any supermarket chain that shows interest.
So I ask who is forcing who here, because to me it looks like the Green's are trying to force planning into passing Lidl's plans and rejecting Netto's.


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: yetion1 on April 04, 2009, 06:34:43 pm
In my view there are always to sides to the story and the way I see things though I could be wrong, but wont believe it until some hard evidence come to light.
Council Bickerton has in fact been doing what everyone wanted and is trying to get a supermarket in Featherstone. Netto have shown interest so he has done what he can to help them achieve their goal and give the people what they want.
The rest of the letter seem typical business to me.
Netto want to build a supermarket Mr and Mrs green have the land.
Number 5 comes up for sale, Netto see that this property would benefit them for access to the land if they should acquire the land from the Green's. The Green's also see the property as a ideal opportunity, they would be in a much better bargaining position if they were to own number 5. Number 5 was sold to the highest bidder Netto. The Greens aren't happy about this has they want to sell the land to Lidl (most likely the highest bidder for the land) As number 5 is owned by Netto and this could cause problems for access to the land by Lidl The Green's could loose out.
Paragraph 5 says a lot to me. The Green's are saying if consent isn't given to Lidl then Featherstone won't get a supermarket. They will not enter into discussions with Netto, and will hold onto the land for residential development. Which says to me they have no intention of selling to Netto or any supermarket chain that shows interest.
So I ask who is forcing who here, because to me it looks like the Green's are trying to force planning into passing Lidl's plans and rejecting Netto's.

At last some one has actually read the facts ;D
Willow you have nearly cracked it. Add a twist of Fev polatics. The best is yet to come. ;)


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Forkhandles on April 04, 2009, 07:30:10 pm
The reason the greens are taking a stand, is because roy bickerton tried to bully them into selling to netto.


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Kim685 on April 04, 2009, 08:26:04 pm
yetion1, if you know something, why don't you just tell us.

As I am not politically biased, I see the letter the same way as forkhandles, that they will now not negociate with Netto because of the bullying. In my opinion, no one can force planning into doing anything. At the end of the day, it looks like we are getting a supermarket, that's all that matters.


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: yetion1 on April 04, 2009, 08:48:33 pm
The reason the greens are taking a stand, is because roy bickerton tried to bully them into selling to netto.

I am led to believe that the document was sent to planning?


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: yetion1 on April 04, 2009, 09:41:19 pm
Since reading the letter it takes a little time to trace the facts. Sure you only wish to read the facts as they become proven.
 Let’s answer the first point.

1.At no time ever have the Greens negotiated/ talked to Netto?

What do you think Forkhandles?


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Forkhandles on April 04, 2009, 09:46:07 pm
How do i know if they've talked to netto, i just know he tried to bully them with threats to sell to netto.


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: yetion1 on April 04, 2009, 10:02:30 pm
The Greens talking not ever talking to Netto was point one and a good place to start that’s all.

I assume we move on to point 3 “harassment”. Who has witnessed this? Are there any witnesses for or against? Is there a record of meetings and who actually attended? Do the allegations stem only from the letter or other legally submitable item.


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Willow on April 05, 2009, 11:29:22 am
yetion1, if you know something, why don't you just tell us.

As I am not politically biased, I see the letter the same way as forkhandles, that they will now not negociate with Netto because of the bullying. In my opinion, no one can force planning into doing anything. At the end of the day, it looks like we are getting a supermarket, that's all that matters.
Hi Kim no offence here but look at the letter again.
We will not enter into discussions with Netto. This statement alone is fare enough, but the rest of the statement is worded very carefully and two words in particular were put there for a reason Residential Development. These words scream out to me, pass Lidl or Fev doesn't get a supermarket. You are right no one can force planning into anything but to me it looks like the Green's are giving it a dam good try.


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Willow on April 05, 2009, 12:02:33 pm
How do i know if they've talked to netto, i just know he tried to bully them with threats to sell to netto.
If you had some land to sell would you except the first offer or talk to all party's interested to get the best price you could. As Netto have been very interested then it makes scene to me that the Green's would have at some point been in negotiations with them.
How do you know that the Green's were bullied were you present at anytime when this so called bulling happened.




Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Forkhandles on April 05, 2009, 12:21:56 pm
Of course i was'nt present, they were bullied over the phone, bickerton and clayton wanted the land to build on.


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Willow on April 05, 2009, 12:35:18 pm
Of course i was'nt present, they were bullied over the phone, bickerton and clayton wanted the land to build on.
Are you saying that Bickerton and Clayton were to build the Netto supermarket if Netto acquired the land.


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Forkhandles on April 05, 2009, 06:14:02 pm
Of course i was'nt present, they were bullied over the phone, bickerton and clayton wanted the land to build on.
Are you saying that Bickerton and Clayton were to build the Netto supermarket if Netto acquired the land.

No, houses willow, i never said it was netto doing the bullying cs.


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: yetion1 on April 05, 2009, 06:34:37 pm
yetion1, if you know something, why don't you just tell us.

As I am not politically biased, I see the letter the same way as forkhandles, that they will now not negociate with Netto because of the bullying. In my opinion, no one can force planning into doing anything. At the end of the day, it looks like we are getting a supermarket, that's all that matters.
Hi Kim no offence here but look at the letter again.
We will not enter into discussions with Netto. This statement alone is fare enough, but the rest of the statement is worded very carefully and two words in particular were put there for a reason Residential Development. These words scream out to me, pass Lidl or Fev doesn't get a supermarket. You are right no one can force planning into anything but to me it looks like the Green's are giving it a dam good try.

Were you Sherlock Holmes in an earlier life? He would have been proud.
Residential development and regeneration mentioned, why indeed. My opinion is a statement from a politician perhaps?
No one can force planning? Or can they? Before any major trial until its end the law blanks out press coverage so that any decision is not influenced. Why did Roy get a front page for a page 16 article on the day of the planning meeting?
Why did planning allow Cllr Margaret Isherwood to continue when they knew she had to abstain? Roy has been reported to the standards board. So have 21 other Labour and conservative Cllrs over the same matter. The pontefract and Castleford Express knew there where other complaints of a more serious nature and subject.
Any comments on the date stamp? If WMDC received should it not have WMDC above the date and the department below all within a text box?
As it usually takes 28 days to recieve information such as letter from the freedom of information office how has a WMDC council employie who is on the sick obtained the letter they originally posted?


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Kim685 on April 05, 2009, 06:56:12 pm
How do you know that the Green's were bullied were you present at anytime when this so called bulling happened.

Thing is, how do we know they weren't bullied or pressured? You all ask if anyone witnessed it. Can anyone prove they weren't? Is this why Bickerton is being investigated? I suppose it will all come out in the end one way or another  ???
I'll shut up now  ;D


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: yetion1 on April 05, 2009, 07:01:05 pm
No need to shut up Kim your points add to the tale. You are correct on all fronts. This story is just going to have to unfold. ;D


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Willow on April 06, 2009, 02:37:52 pm
Of course i was'nt present, they were bullied over the phone, bickerton and clayton wanted the land to build on.
Are you saying that Bickerton and Clayton were to build the Netto supermarket if Netto acquired the land.

No, houses willow, i never said it was netto doing the bullying cs.
Were does it say in the letter the Green's sent that there was any harassment from Mr Bickerton to force a sale to him. Sorry but i just don't see any mention of it.


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: fev angel on April 06, 2009, 05:17:50 pm

http://featherstonesmad.smfforfree4.com/index.php/topic,1111.msg5419.html#msg5419
http://featherstonesmad.smfforfree4.com/index.php/topic,1111.msg5431.html#msg5431 (http://ttp://featherstonesmad.smfforfree4.com/index.php/topic,1111.msg5419.html#msg5419
http://featherstonesmad.smfforfree4.com/index.php/topic,1111.msg5431.html#msg5431)

Two excellent posts Willow.

The reason the greens are taking a stand, is because roy bickerton tried to bully them into selling to netto.

How do i know if they've talked to netto, i just know he tried to bully them with threats to sell to netto.

Of course i was'nt present, they were bullied over the phone, bickerton and clayton wanted the land to build on.

Forkhandles as you say that you were not present when the bullying took place. Why are you so confident it did. Making a statement based on heresay, if repeated and not substantiated is construed as libel in law, if it seeks to harm the the persons character in the view of other people.
Where does your "evidence", if any, come from? If it is based soley on the letter in question, if so then it is at this moment not factual and until the accusers prove the allegation it will remain not factual. 
What do you mean by "I just know"? Is that a personal gut feeling, personal annoyance at the person or have you been given/seen proof?
There appears to be alot of political rhetoric by a certain party in the town which is being fuelled by some peoples personal views on the person being accused of the bullying.

Your comment :-"bickerton and clayton wanted the land to build on."
What evidence is there of this? Were could I and others see it?


Citizen Smith said in a post:-
"Forkhandles" I hope that the Greens have harder evidence than a conversation by phone as their evidence of 'bullying'. Netto have one of the largest legal departments in the supermarket industry. I am pretty confident that that machinery is already in gear.........
I did not say you had said Netto were bullying Forkhandles, sorry if this is how you read it. My meaning was Netto are involved by implication, as the person accussed of bullying appears to be doing the bullying to achieve a result from which they (Netto) may benefit.

can i ask are you a indi member you seem to know alot about this


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Forkhandles on April 06, 2009, 07:40:33 pm
CS, why don't you go and ask the greens, as i did?


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Forkhandles on April 07, 2009, 08:43:05 pm

Forkhandles, thank you for the reply and your suggestion about asking the Greens.....

I am sorry to say that someone, telling someone else something, does not constitute evidencial fact in law. While I respect your right to believe whom you choose to believe is right or wrong, I have to say that it takes a little more than a verbal statement to convince the system of the same right and wrong. As I said, with respect, you like I, have the right to make our own judgement. I base my judgement on the evidence presented. I as of yet have not seen any evidence.

As for asking the Greens, well unless I thought they could show me some evidence of bullying then I see no point. Quite a number of people at the moment are saying "the Greens say so" but no one has said "I have seen evidence" or "I witnessed it happen".
I deal in fact and fiction every day, from various sources, and have to make a judgement call to seperate one from the other, based on hard evidence, nothing else, so until some proof emerges to substantiate the allegations I shall choose to question the accusation rather than condemn the accused.

 

Fair comment CS ;D


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: belle on April 07, 2009, 09:14:11 pm
Firstly let me express one point ....I AM in favour of a supermarket for Featherstone and think that we do so desperately need one !

However, after reading through this topic i can't help thinking maybe we are reading too much into this letter from the Greens.  :)

The Greens are doing what the majority of people would do and looking after themselves by wanting to get the best price they can and i suspect Lidl has offered them that and maybe they think by threatening not to enter into negotiations with Netto that they can "bully" the Council into getting the plans passed.

I have worked in the property industry (conveyancing) for 10 years and the market is very unpredictable and very slow so if the Council dont get "bullied" and decide not to pass the plans then maybe , just maybe, the Greens may have a change of heart and enter into negotiations with Netto when they realise the property market is so very unpredictable. This letter is only words ...something we all use to try and get what we want  ;D

Just my opinion  ;D


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: claytonroyston on April 09, 2009, 09:50:47 am
in the recent replys to the topic of the land belonging to the greens 2 people quoted that bickerton and clayton
were trying to purchase the land for development (housing) .my name is clayton and i have lived in the district
of featherstone all my life and no way have i been involved in any land deals.if you are willing to publish names
please put the full name down,i dont want people pointing fingers at me.


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Willow on April 09, 2009, 01:40:18 pm
in the recent replys to the topic of the land belonging to the greens 2 people quoted that bickerton and clayton
were trying to purchase the land for development (housing) .my name is clayton and i have lived in the district
of featherstone all my life and no way have i been involved in any land deals.if you are willing to publish names
please put the full name down,i dont want people pointing fingers at me.
I apologise for my use of the name Clayton. I would have used the full name of this person if I had any idea who Forkhandles was talking about.


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: yetion1 on April 09, 2009, 06:51:16 pm
Looks like the P+C can be confirmed as a full blown weekly labour party news letter then. Not one mention of the 24 Cllrs or ex-Cllrs that are under investigation.
Love the supermarket piece; guess they neglected to read the highways report just like the planning department did.
I bet i can guess next weeks front page ;) ;D


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: Forkhandles on April 09, 2009, 08:24:25 pm
in the recent replys to the topic of the land belonging to the greens 2 people quoted that bickerton and clayton
were trying to purchase the land for development (housing) .my name is clayton and i have lived in the district
of featherstone all my life and no way have i been involved in any land deals.if you are willing to publish names
please put the full name down,i dont want people pointing fingers at me.

Sorry about that claytonroyston, it was brian clayton, from pontefract i was talking about ;D


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: yetion1 on April 09, 2009, 09:23:21 pm
I am sure the gents in question will appreciate concerns being addressed.
Polatics again have brought up names used the wrong way. Many people do not know all that goes on by the people that are never heard of. You would be amazed how many people do work for the good of Fev without a mention. Just for the record the free work by Claytonroyston and Brian Clayton (fev born and bred) to help Fev is often missed yet we would be very less off without it.


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: yetion1 on May 17, 2009, 10:33:52 pm
Jacqueline Pepperell

Service Director,

Legal and Democratic Services

County Hall

Wakefield

 
Dear Jacqueline Pepperell

Complaints

 

Thank you for your e-mail of 7th May 2009 and your apology for the delay in replying.

I have questions regards your reply.

 
1. “With respect to your complaint of  5th April about Councillor Margaret Isherwood, I should be grateful if you could complete a complaints form, so that I can be clear what information you wish to provide to the Referrals Sub-Committee of Standards Committee, as this will be all of the information that is taken into account when the Referrals Sub-Committee makes its decision.”  
The track record of completing documents required by WMDC has over the last 6 years proved an interesting evaluation regards the numbers that are lost or considered the incorrect document. Please could you provide me with the document you consider correct and its guidance note in electronic format.

 
2. “The meeting of the Referrals Sub-Committee is not a public meeting and cannot be attended by either the complainant or the Member.  Before that meeting, we will notify the Councillor that a complaint has been made.  If you do not wish your name and details of your allegation to be revealed to the Member you have complained about, please let me know.  We can only withhold the identity of a complainant in exceptional circumstances and if you wish this to apply, please let me know by 11th May”.   
Please can you provide an electronic copy of the application under “exceptional circumstances”? You state that you require an answer by 11th may. As this is only 5 days after your reply and consequently allows me now time to seek legal advice I ask that this deadline be extended. If by your own power you have now passed on my details please can you forward the relevant reference to which you acted upon?


3. “The Referrals Sub-Committee can reach one of the following three decisions.
Refer the allegation to the Monitoring Officer of the Authority for investigation or some other action, such as mediation or training.
In exceptional cases, refer the allegation to the Standards Board for England.
Decide that no action should be taken in respect of the allegation.
 
If it decides that no action should be taken, it will give reasons for this and explain your right to request a review of the decision”.

I am intrigued as to your final reply. After making several inquires I could not be offered any part of the possibilities you provided. Please can you confirm when the 3 possibilities were implemented as a guideline especially the first?

I await your reply so that I may have the opportunity to voice my legitimate concerns.

Yours sincerely


Title: Re: is this true
Post by: yetion1 on May 29, 2009, 09:54:59 pm
Amazing. WMDC still dragging its feet. ::) Yet if you are Indy its a front page lie over night. >:(

Dear Mr
 
Thank you for your email of 17th May 2009.  I enclose a copy of the Council's complaint form.  I have not yet advised the Councillor about the complaint.  I will reply fully to your email next week.
 
Regards
 
 
Jackie Pepperell